I visted Goldwell in at the corporate headquarters in Baltimore, MD for training and the color was made right next door at a company called Henkle.  They also make color there for other color manufactors.  They may buy some of their pigments in other countries, but the color is made in the US.  Just thought you would like to know.

Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

You are welcome-

I think when you search out a new haircolor line you need to look for more than what country it came from.  I think you need to look at what kind of support you are going to get.  Talk to the reps - see what type of education they are willing to supply you with.  Look at those color charts.  Really look at them.  Look at the pigment breakdowns - remember - you have got to know what is in those tubes/bottles in order to be a successful colorists.  The most important thing is performance, committment from the haircolor company, and educational support that makes sense to you.  It's a very pesronal choice.

Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

This line was developed by a hairstylist with over 25 years experience in research and development for a color company that has been around for a long time.  Requires minimum inventory, high quality ingredients, low cost per ounce, usa made, very little fadage and the color formulation is a back to basics concept.  They have a website  www.chromastics.com

I'm fond of REDKEN, and I really like the idea of reward points. You show reciepts of how much you've spent on REDKEN you get rewards that can be used for gear, product, classes, etc. Smells good too. I can say soo much about it but the website says more. Look them up. In my experience I have not been displeased with the line.

http://www.redkensalon.com/

AMirage

New Blonde Glam shampoo and conditioner I really like.

Dear modishstyles-

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Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

You'll find that the color slips after a week or so on grey hair.  The odor/fumes that this color produces is not good for you either.  WE have brought in an organic color line that needs no ammonia.  This color rocks!  The lightener(bleach) also contains no ammonia and lifts gently as well as fast.  There is no doubt the technology in this colorline will change the industry.  These colors are bright and beautiful with very little to no fadage.

When you're trying to choose a color line, you need to take into account that you need to find a line that will take care of all of your needs as a colorist.  I personally use Wella KP for permanent, Wella Color Touch as the demi and Blondor as my lightener.  I get everything I need from these lines.  KP has an amazing selection of colors, the best white coverage I have experienced, and leaves the hair in great condition.  Color Touch is an ammonia-free demi-permanent color. 

One little note that I wanted to make is about all the fuss over "ammonia-free" lighteners.  Companies try to use the wording of ammonia-free to try and convince you that their lightener is less damaging than another company's.  But the fact is that most modern lighteners are ammonia free.  Lighteners contain a chemical called presulfate that causes the lightening action so ammonia-free really means nothing when it comes to a lightener.

Just wanted to add a note for switching to KP from another line- the most confusing part is getting to know the number system.  Just be sure to look underneath the numbers on your swatch book and you will find the letters for the tones.  Ex: 7/03- if you look under the numbers you'll find 7NG to help you translate.  The most important part is to get to know what each tone is meant to do and after some practice you'll get used to working with a number system!

cut2color, what is the name of this line???... sounds intersting..

btw i also use koleston... i Love it!

We did alot of testing for several weeks and over 20 clients and models.  Results were very good.  We even compared to quite a few popular European and Italian colorlines.  It's the real deal.  Can't give you the website, it's against the rules, but "google it". 

Dear cut2color-

I do not understand all the secrecy with the organic color systems.  It is fine to talk about lines that are new and you find interesting.  And I am happy you are excited about this one.  If you are involved with the marketing of the line, advertising is not allowed on these boards, as you well know.  What is your association with this company?  Please continue to share information and even the website for informational purposes - however, at this point if you do work for this company sharing educational advice would be appropriate only.  Thank you.

Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

hues4you,

Check out the entry on this thread Thursday, June 01, 2006 3:02:46 PM.   Too me, that constitutes marketing.

No secrecy, just didn't know what I could say and not say.  It's just information and awareness that's all.   

As far as my relationship with this company,  just inked out distribution rights. 

I use kadus for my salon. It takes alittle getting use to but i does have great properties and color is predictable no guess work.. great to start out with. I think more schools should start with this line.. and and if you use the product correctly you are COLORING AS GENTLE AS POSSIBLE. if you have any other questions just give me a yell..

Dear cut2color-

I did look back at that post, which you also wrote, and the only difference I personally see is that is straight to the point and letting people know about chromastics and it includes the website link which is allowed for our member to learn.  After all this is a thread about picking a color line.  However, in this posting segment - it seemed to come across as more of a sales type approach because the name was not given or link.  By all means - please share links and information about new haircolor lines. 

I think I will share this one................right out of my salon and hometown..................... www.pHORMULATE.com

This is a learning forum, please use it as such.  Have a Happy New Year!

Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

take a look at this one

www.organiccolorsystems.com

great story and formulated by hairdressers. Color theory remains the same.  Base colors are in the same lines as Italian colorlines.  A low heat dryer(100 degrees) is needed for 10 minutes to open the cuticle, in place of ammonia.  The developers are probably what's needed to learned most since there are 3 different groups of them.  One for natural color, one for bleaching and one for resistant grey hair.  Since the developers are of a fine grade they act alittle weaker than your traditional developers, for ex:  the 40vol. acts like a traditional 30vol.

What's also kool is the tyrosine treatment.  When hair is so light or damage that it won't hold color, a treatment is given ahead of time for the color to hold.  Tyrosine is what attracts and holds color, if it lacks, it won;t hold.

In any manner, as long as a non-ammonia based color performs it is an alternative colorline for the salon to service their clients.  Instead of their clients going down the street to a salon that has it.

Chromastics is a fairly new line but its awesome!YoU create your own colors,because the colors are pure tones.tHE Whole line is only 26colors.

this color line is awesome if you are willing to step out side of the box a little I know I had to. With this color line there is no guess work and get this you can lift color with color (up to 4 levels) because there is no ammonia. once it stops working it becomes a deep conditioning treatment, which in itself is pretty amazing! It's made by farouk systems a reallllllly great company to have on your side chi is all hair dressers...I could go on, but all I have to say is I am so passionate about this color line I signed up to be an educator for the company I have to spread the word...Lifting color with color!!!can you believe it? I couldn't until I tried it and saw with my own eyes...Wow

ZarahArlene

I have not used the Chi color line yet.  However, I have used other non-ammonia lift and deposit lines.  Out of curiosity if they do not use ammonia, what is their alkali subsitute and when the mixture is all added together is the pH any lower say at a level 10 than an ammoniated level 10?  Thanks in advance.

Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator

Just a thought... I've used about 7 color lines and out of all of the colors I've used I've found that Koleston Perfect by Wella was one of the best and most dependable color lines I've used. Their bleach and blonde series are awesome! The blonde series can be used to tone or to lift the base with the pastel developer before or after highlights and its really gentle.. Not to mention if your new to color and are a second guesser- the swatch book tells you wether the color pulls warm or cool tones. (Which there are a few lines out their that do this as well..)

The biggest tip I can think is to know your color theory inside and out.. If you know color well enough it really won't matter what brand you choose, because you'll know without a doubt what colors will or will not work on your clients. And if nothing else- you will always be able to formulate what your client needs simply by looking at their hair

Hi Guys!!!  To me there is no substitute for L'Oreal color.  They have four specific lines targeting different hair issues and also contain their patended Ionene G  system which leaves your hair in the best condition possible.  I'm a twenty year veteram "giggle" that is really strange to say.  I've used several other lines taken several educational opportunities for other products and always return to L'Oreal.   They have traditional permanent color - Majarel, Semi permanent tone only color- Richesse ( which I love for those poor dears who need color correction)  A Demi color- Lou color which has great tone only lift potential, Majiblonde for all your blonde needs and also a fun little product called Composite for your artsy clients.   About 8 years ago I decided to make a change and try a few different products.  I didn't tell my clients but guess what, They Knew!!!!  I went back to L'Oreal never to leave again.  The quality is unsurpassed.  You and your clients will love this product. 

ARTEASE COLOR

I agree!  I just had the opportunity to try out the colorline, it is amazing!  The Gray coverage is phenomenal!!!  I have never seen anything like it!  The price point is also very good!!!!!  Check it out!

Has anyone checked out the ingredient used by organic color lines that replaces ammonia?  It is MCS?  From what I read in saftey data sheets, it looks to be carsenogenic.?

Are there any more natural lines that don't contain this? 

I'm needing to switch to something fume free!  I have a terrible reaction to the color lines I've been using and need something more friendly to my body! Help please!!!!!!!!!!

Dear cut2color,

What is the line you are speaking of?

Hello All,

    Color is one of our favorite subjects here at BTC!  We love to host online seminars (Webinars) about it and always want to give you the most up-to-date information.  We currently have teamed with Beth Minardi, one of the industries most influential colorists, to be the Color Editor in the BehindTheChair.com [On Paper] Magazine.

     Also wanted to respond to some of the threads above.  When picking a color line there are a few things you need to consider.   When you purchase a color line through a distributor it is a wise decision to research what type of support you will recieve from them.  What this will entail is educators that will come into your salon and do educational classes and will these be complimentary or will there be a fee involved.  Are there any sort of buy-back programs that are available?

  A Buy back program is where a color company will come in and count up all of your full color tubes of color, compute how much you have and take that number and apply it to your original color purchase.

   Also, anytime you can get a sample is great.  The challenge can be is the fact that the color that you are given may not be exactly what you need or may not have the right strength in developer. 

   Google is a wonderful tool and also consult with your hairdresser friends.  Get there suggestions or if there is a certain brand you are interested in.  Contact a distributor and see if they can team you up with a salon in your area that carries that color line and see if you can get together to talk about the benefits of it.

   Good Luck to all!

Sarah

BTC Moderator

I love the Aloxxi line, but am having a heck of a time getting support / training from my supplier.  It is vey frustrating, although the product itself is wonderful!

I don't want to change right now, but it is something I have considered due to the lack of responsiveness from supplier & Nexxus.