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debbie
Posts: 13

Posted: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:05:00 AM
Love updos? Got some fast easy suggestions? I have a wedding party to do June 30,alone,10 girls plus the bride. I am concerned about time and thought I would ask if anyone had any time saving techniques to share :) I would gladly accept emails @ debdohairdo@earthlink.net.Thanks!

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:14:00 PM
you bit off more then you can chue, by taking on so much you can ruin your reputation, if your going to rush thrugh it you'll get the bride nurvous. Try to ask some one to help you!!!!!

me
Posts: 15

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:40:00 AM
Anonymous said it first, but it bears repeating,
YOU BIT OF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW...you absolutely must bring in another stylist. Bridal is my specialty and I NEVER commit to a group of this size without bringing at least one more stylist and probably an assistant as well. You don't want to commit professional suicide, but you will if you don't get some help.

sonofacarrie
Posts: 39

Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2001 2:20:00 AM
I think she knows she bit off more than she can chew, she needs advice not discouragement. Here are some tips to save time- first you could ask them to set their hair in hot rollers or curl it themselves after explaining the situation. The quickest updo I do when I'm short on time is put the hair up in one or two ponytails, then just curl the hair that's in the pony tails instead of curling the whole head. Those take maybe 20-25 min. Or you can do a twist by just gathering all the hair in back and twisting it instead of teasing and pinning over one side then the other.

sonofacrrie
Posts: 1

Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2001 2:23:00 AM
I would also do the bride first if possible, I wouldn't feel like I was rushing with her as much.

lyricax
Posts: 143
Bronze Member

Posted: Sunday, December 02, 2001 9:50:00 AM
The thing is, I think the wedding is over already folks. Look at the date of the post.

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Saturday, December 08, 2001 7:36:00 PM
Oooops! HAH, you're right, too late now, huh?

Charles
Posts: 28

Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:38:00 AM
Billie, and they're probably divorced by now, anyway..(hehe)

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:57:00 PM
Awwww...!

Anonymous

Posted: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:10:00 PM
hey this happens every week, not just a once in a life time, i do complete wedding parties, more then 10, weekly, make sure girls are on time and with dry hair, easier to put up if it is a day dirty too. have 2 or three come in at one time, i dont have the guts to tell them to roll there own hair, sorry. and i agree they are probly divorced by now.

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2002 4:55:00 PM
I am looking for some ideas on updos for prom

mg3310
Posts: 75

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:06:00 PM
Kellie........

Have you checke out Martin Parsons??? He is so AWSOME! I have been using his techniques for a while now.........most of the girls for prom at least last year were looking for something quite funky.......I take triangular sections and did knots........I may knot the hair 2-3 times depending on the length so I can get that sprouty effect......I also did alot with my squar and triangular crimper.......not sure what the trends will be for this season........all I know is that the girls didn't want that bridesmaid look!

Mary:::)))

Anonymous

Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:23:00 PM
look on the first page of this site!

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:44:00 AM
Hi Kellie!(love the name) definatly check out Martin Parsons videos, he is the up-do god!!!

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:45:00 PM
Thanks for the Marin Parsons idea! I have heard of him but have never checked out any of his stuff. I will definetly get a video. Thanks again!!

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:49:00 PM
Yeah, I have 3 of the Martin Parsons updo videos, and I like them too! Pretty easy styles to do, and easy to follow his instructions.

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:48:00 PM
I also do a lot of wedding work, proms and beauty pagents. I tell the girls to come in with clean dry hair. If they have curly hair and want it straight - they are welcome to straighten it prior to their visit with me. It will save them money and me - time. I go about all of this in a professional way. They appreciate that I am not using up their budget. I want to be the creative hands they don't have. When they walk out - everyone is happy.

sparklehair
Posts: 303
Silver Member

Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:35:00 PM
Everyone, if you do up do's you have to get the new glitter spray from BROCATO, its GORGEOUS, fine sparay, does not clog up (i hate that ,dont you?)i am ordering 48 tomorrow, the first case went in 2 days! ps its for skin and hair, is a very very fine glitter and just beautiful!!

Hair130
Posts: 49

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:14:00 AM
Hi Sparklehair!!!
Where can I order this product from? Thanx!

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:10:00 AM
Just wondering, what does everyone charge for their up-dos? Also, what areas, state, town, etc.. are you from?(i know the area you live sometimes determines the price)Thank you!:-)

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:48:00 PM
I charge $35 for mine. I live in Raleigh, the capital of North Carolina, USA. I work in a mid-range salon, price-wise, for this area.

Hair130
Posts: 49

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:20:00 PM
I also charge $35.00 dollars. I live in a small community in IL.

sparklehair
Posts: 303
Silver Member

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:22:00 PM
$35.00 or $45/00 with elaborate braiding ect.

sparklehair
Posts: 303
Silver Member

Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:24:00 PM
Hair 130, I am in WI and i order brocato glitter spray from RELIABLE. milwaukee.

BethJ
Posts: 86

Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:14:00 PM
I am in small to mid-sized midwest town, and I charge $35 to $45 based on length and time to complete. As far as glitter sprays are concerned, this is what I do. I bought alot of colors of very fine glitter at the hobby store. Spray client with hair spray, then sprinkle a little glitter. Seal it with spray again. We have found that this is incredible! Some combos that I like best are pink/purple. And for brides I like gold and irridisent. Are whole salon is getting very booked already for proms and most ask if their glitter can be custom blended to match their gowns! Of course for an extra $5.00! Peace! P.S. A little glitter goes a long way, so use spareingly!

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:43:00 PM
Thanks for all the info so far. I also am in the 35 to 45 dollar range. Thankyou all! :-)I also love that glitter idea!

Jhudie
Posts: 1

Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:51:00 AM
To Kellie - I can't get enough of updo's - and I also use the spray-glitter-sealing spray. I have two daughters - a senior and sophomore, so around special event days - it gets a bit craaaazy! Frineds pile in and each has to be edgier than the other - I too use knots - but not only do I match the glitter - I try to match the little spikes from the knots to match the dress as well!Their are a lot of temporary dyes/gels that can be blended to get the perfect color - Always brings out the kid in me.

Jhudie
Posts: 1

Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:54:00 AM
Kellie - that was friends not frineds! I'm just a bit fried - and an insomniac

Kellie
Posts: 152
Bronze Member

Posted: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:56:00 AM
I also love up-dos! The shop i work for trys to get everyone to work on those prom days.(they decided to make it more of a mandatory thing) It doesn't bother me, those up-do days sometimes will be a high money maker for me. I will take a girl every half an hour in our 8 hour day. Martin Parsons videos helped a great deal to learn to build that kind of speed. I also am lucky with the girls that seek me out, they spread the word around which consists of"just sit in her chair and let her do what she wants, you won't be sorry" I have no idea how that got started but hey, i am not complaning.:-)

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:24:00 PM
Where do you order the Martin Parsons video's?

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:23:00 PM
click on this link to go to their website.

http://www.martinparsons.com/main.html

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:06:00 AM
Thanks Billie,, I just checked it out. Which videos have you gotten & liked????

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:00:00 AM
I bought "Long Hair Techniques", "2 natural Ups and a Smoothie" and "2 Shoter Hair Up-Styles". I think they're all good and simple to do. They are a little expensive, though!

glamrockgirl
Posts: 18

Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:42:00 AM
You know what we should do here girls, and guys, is start a tape trading group. My b/f does it with wrestling videos (ugh) but it works nicely. Most ppl have 2 vcrs in their home, or can access a second vcr, and most video tapes are easily copied with a piece of scotch tape over the little tabs that are supposed to prevent coping.
heres what we would do-- I would post saying for example, I am looking for updo videos and tigi videos, and here is what i have to offer, anticurl videos, rusk beyond the fringe, whatever else i have. then anyone interested in any thing i have to trade, who has something i want to get, gets in touch with me, and we make the trade. then i copy the videos i recieved to use in further trading:) I notice that with the b/fs trading he always posts what condition the video is in, and each person pays for their own shipping, unless one is shipping a lot more weight than the other. Just an idea:)

dabimf
Posts: 3

Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:39:00 AM
Could any one tell me where if Martin Parsons is the only one who has up do videos? I'm getting ready for the proms and just love the up dos.
Thank you girls for all your in put.
LaChresia

Anonymous

Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:22:00 PM
I just bought a martin parsons video. It's the best updo video I've ever seen. His techniques are easy and quick especially if you are fairly experienced with long hair etc. A couple other people who were watching the video with me thought he "made" it look easy, but I was able to do his knotting technique on my own hair in 20 min.

dabimf
Posts: 3

Posted: Friday, March 15, 2002 6:13:00 PM
Does any one know if you can get used Parsons videos?

Karla
Posts: 26

Posted: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:48:00 PM
I just ordered the 6 pack offer from BTC. I have every intention of selling them after I'm done.

sonofacarrie
Posts: 39

Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2002 12:47:00 AM
Karla- if you watch the chignons video there is an updo where it looks like maybe 6 sections crossed over, if possible can you post how to do that one. I don't want to buy the video for one updo. thanks

tleewoo
Posts: 24

Posted: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:46:00 PM
I am looking for a salon in Key West, FL that specializes in updo's--wedding party. The wedding is informal, so the updo's can be pretty trendy. Since my salon is in WV and I cannot travel to Key West to do hair for the wedding, I am trying to help a friend. They also want manicures and pedicures; all three services for possibly 4 people. Wedding is August 3, 2002. Any suggestions?

colorwiz440@aol.com
Posts: 31

Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:24:00 PM
Hi everyone I have some updo tips if anyone is interested. First work on dirty or clean dry hair. if the hair is too silky spray with spray gel or hair spray and blowdry. Next don't be intimidated by long hair just get out of the way the hair you won't use for finishing.Usually this is the hair locate a part fron ear to ear on top and the whole back section.You can leave out 1/2" around the hair line. Take that section and standing in front and to the left side of the client. If you are you are right handed you will stand on the left side. with the back of your left hand touching the back of the clients head, hook the hair with your thumb and forefinger. As you hold the hair and step behind your client in the normal stylist to client position.The hair will wrap around your thumb. slowly slide your thumb out and fan the hair up like a normal twist. You can pin this with one 3" hair pin or bobby pin. Also you can tuck the ends in before you pin. This may be difficult to understand so read it as you practice on someone with long hair. after the hair is pinned and sprayed you can part, crisscross, tease, set, curl, pincurl, barrel curl, twist, braid or anything else you would like to do to the rest of the hair to achieve your desired look. I find that mousse in a bowl and dipping my comb in, useing the comb to spread the mouse on the piece of hair I am setting works great. as long as it is a non-flaking mousse is great for setting the remaining hair. This thachnique is the best thing I ever learned for doing updo's in record time about 20 to 30 min.
I charge any where from 45 to 75 dollars. I am not in a top end salon. I am in a neiborohood salon and I believe I should charge for time spent and how intricate the work is. 10 people will still take 4 hours so start early and don't do the bride first, she has to get dressed and make up on frist.
I hope this helped.
Cliff

colorwiz440@aol.com
Posts: 31

Posted: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:26:00 PM
Hi everyone I have some updo tips if anyone is interested. First work on dirty or clean dry hair. if the hair is too silky spray with spray gel or hair spray and blowdry. Next don't be intimidated by long hair just get out of the way the hair you won't use for finishing.Usually this is the hair locate a part fron ear to ear on top and the whole back section.You can leave out 1/2" around the hair line. Take that section and standing in front and to the left side of the client. If you are you are right handed you will stand on the left side. with the back of your left hand touching the back of the clients head, hook the hair with your thumb and forefinger. As you hold the hair and step behind your client in the normal stylist to client position.The hair will wrap around your thumb. slowly slide your thumb out and fan the hair up like a normal twist. You can pin this with one 3" hair pin or bobby pin. Also you can tuck the ends in before you pin. This may be difficult to understand so read it as you practice on someone with long hair. after the hair is pinned and sprayed you can part, crisscross, tease, set, curl, pincurl, barrel curl, twist, braid or anything else you would like to do to the rest of the hair to achieve your desired look. I find that mousse in a bowl and dipping my comb in, useing the comb to spread the mouse on the piece of hair I am setting works great. as long as it is a non-flaking mousse is great for setting the remaining hair. This thachnique is the best thing I ever learned for doing updo's in record time about 20 to 30 min.
I charge any where from 45 to 75 dollars. I am not in a top end salon. I am in a neiborohood salon and I believe I should charge for time spent and how intricate the work is. 10 people will still take 4 hours so start early and don't do the bride first, she has to get dressed and make up on frist.
I hope this helped.
Cliff

Anonymous

Posted: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:21:00 AM
I have some little girls coming in for communions.I need some advice. I usually pull the hair up in a pony tail and then take small sections and curl the hair. Then this is where I get nervous.. I just dont know how to pin the hair so it looks full and not sloppy. I just bunch everything together and hope it comes out ok. I know there is a way of making it look better cause I've seen other people do it and it looks so good. Please help.

lyricax
Posts: 143
Bronze Member

Posted: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:39:00 AM
take each section, put a bobby pin on the end, then flip it over and pin it in to the hair surrounding the ponytail holder...if the hair is really long, you can put the bobby pin in the middle and do the same, which will still leave some small tendrils hanging

debdohairdo
Posts: 1

Posted: Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:57:00 AM
Hi Everyone!!!! Been a long time since I posted. I did however want to thank you all for your help,and those of you who encouraged me. Turns out I DID do all 10 of the wedding party AND the bride and they all looked beautiful. Some were easy depending on hair texture, and others difficult. I did wait to do the bride til last, which worked out well. Yes, I probably did bite off more than I could chew...it was one of those things that happen as the bride added more people! As for risking my reputation, it only helped it. It did however remind me how intense wedding hair can be physically...I had one sore set of shoulders! BUT, hey, I even went on to sing for her wedding as well...so I guess I was wonder woman for a day! HAH!!!!! Thank you all!!!! Debbie

DIAMONDPOCKETS
Posts: 1

Posted: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:15:00 PM
I AM LOOKING FOR SOME LAST MINUTE IDEAS.....FOR UPDOS ON SATURDAY.....ONE FOR A SORITY...DANCE AND ONE FOR A MEMBER OF A WEDDING PARTY....ANY SUGGESTIONS

Donn
Posts: 391
Silver Member

Posted: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:16:00 AM
try doing some loose knots all around the head w/ends out.. What I do when I get updos, is just start doing something funky and fun and it always seems to work itself out. I have never done 2 that are the same.

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:00:00 PM
I will be doing a bride in the next couple of weeks. I had her come in for a practice. She wants lots of tendrils all over the head.When I finished with the practice, it didnt look very professional and I felt bad. Can anyone give me some ideas to make it look more polished?She needs these curls to be like bouncing and springy and big all over. Mine was floppy.

sparklehair
Posts: 303
Silver Member

Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:02:00 AM
try using a thermal spray on each strand before you curl. I like Kenra's THERMAL SPRAY available from Aerial or try their website www.kenra.com , it gives a great hold, protects the hair and leaves the curl shiny and bouncy, you could also try Brocato 'shimmer sprae'to finish, it is very delicate fine glitter for using on hair and skin,
Also you could send for the Martin Parson video,it would really help you, its available right here on BTC home page

colorwiz440@aol.com
Posts: 31

Posted: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:31:00 AM
Dear Anon. I also use a thermal spray for a good base when curling or setting with large rollers. Another great way is to save your long ponytails from makovers. You know the ones where the client comes in after a wedding or prom and wants to get it all cut off beacause they were trying to let it grow for the event. I like to color the ponytails to mach the brides color and set them ahead of time. and when the bride comes in it is so much easier to put the finishing touches on. I have a bride who drank to much and was handing curls out as souveniers to the guests. Also after you are done curling or setting the hair. Your curl should be firm enough to take a palmade or frozen wax my personal favorite NEW from Wella Liquid Hair to put on your hands and evenly pull through the hair to separate the curl. you can also pin several loops out of one strand of curl if the hair is long. That might help to keep it from looking floppy.
Have fun!

Shirley
Posts: 9

Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:43:00 PM
I wanted to know if anyone had any advice on getting height in the updo's? Like if they want it all with big curls on the top. I can never seem to get it high enough. Can any body HELP me???;-)Thanks Shirley

livvey
Posts: 191
Bronze Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:11:00 AM
You can get height if you pull the hair back in an elastic band and create your curls starting from that position.

Donn
Posts: 391
Silver Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:47:00 AM
also if they have enough hair, you can make a bun with the middle of the hair and then pin the curls to it.

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:07:00 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but I bought 3 of the Martin Parsons updo videos and I was VERY impressed. He shows you how to do some cool updo's that can look very complex but are actually pretty easy to do. I would highly recommend them, but they aren't cheap. I got them through their website.

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:14:00 PM
And here's the website address:

http://www.martinparsons.com/main.html

Anonymous

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:44:00 PM
Donn I like your idea! Dont mind if I use it tommorrow.. Have any other pointers??

Tweedle Dee
Posts: 22

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 8:59:00 PM
I don't mean to change the subject too much -but I have a question & it partly pertains to upd's.. it's been a while so I am not sure where to ask..I have a girl who wants an updo for the prom -my question is should I charge her for practice sessions? I am surprised I have not come across this before- but most everyone knows what they want & come in for a one time shot at it. But then as prom is almost a month away- I wonder about her motives because she wanted me to do it tonight- but I was neither home nor open- & she got my machine- and geez after "8ish" I don't think I am superhuman to end at 9/10 at night!

m
Posts: 143
Bronze Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:54:00 PM
Hey Tweeds-we do 'previews' before a prom/wedding/gala etc. we don't charge,however they are usually for regular clients. the preview consists of a consultation,pictures etc of their desired results and then a 5-10 minute quick 'do'. we don't completely finish out the hair, only get an idea of what it will take to get the hair to that result-balance timing and so on. basically a 15-30 minute total time. however, if this is a non-regular salon client or a client that isn't as 'responsible' with their appointments(habit of 'no-show, cancelling at last minute etc) we would have them pay in full prior to the actual day of the event. i start my 'up do's' on completely dry hair(if we do the shampoo & blowout-that price is added on to the price of the updo) so, for example the person comes in for a basic french twist-it starts at $30. if i also shampoo and blowout we would add another $15-20 for example. my average updo price is $45 and goes up from there.

m
Posts: 143
Bronze Member

Posted: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:59:00 PM
by the way the average up do price of $45 is my normal starting price for the styles requested these days and doesn't include the shampoo/styling.

ps-Tweedle Dee-the only 'power' that client can have over you is the power you allow her to take. let her know your normal hours of operation and don't extend unless you let them know you charge extra for extended hours etc...... just a thought

Billie
Posts: 727
Gold Member

Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:21:00 AM
My updo's run from $35-$50. I only charge over $35 if the girl wants me to do something such as blowdry/flat-iron her curly hair straight first. Any other service is an extra, full, separate charge. If the girl wants a run-through (I have one who comes in about once a month for a run-through on her wedding that's upcoming), I charge full price for each run-through. Today for instance I have a woman coming in for a shampoo/cur/blowdry AND a run-through on her updo to wear to attend a wedding in July. Her bill will be $28 (my reg charge for SCB) plus another $35 for the updo run-through. I do a full all-out updo when I do a run-through, so I charge the full price. I have never had anyone ask for updo run-throughs before except a bride-to-be so this lady coming in today will be a first, as she's only a guest at the wedding. To me this is a little "anal" to want a run-through in her case (or in the case of a girl going to a prom)...but if she wants it, she will be paying for it.

Karla
Posts: 26

Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:11:00 PM
I charge for the practice do. I have sitter on the clock, use product, and have to make a shop payment. That's how I look at it.

If a bride brings alot of business into the salon with her wedding party, I will send her and her husband a wedding card and a gift of cash.

Tweedle Dee
Posts: 22

Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:11:00 PM
Well no this girl is not a regular- she's a friend of my niece- & had been givin my salon menu which has my hours ect..however she knows my niece has special privileges as a family member. I don't want to give her the idea that I give "freebies", as a fairly new sole proprietor I would not last long if I did that! Plus what she wants is not even hard to do in my head- let alone need practice sessions. I have a feeling she wants to see what she can get away with- & I am not up for getting used.
I think my prices are pretty cheap as they are & the reasonable thing to do is charge for practice sesions since it will be no diff. then a regular service.
Thank you for the advice- it's nice to have someone who understands to talk to.

m
Posts: 143
Bronze Member

Posted: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:55:00 PM
Definitely-don't let her get the idea she can take advantage TD! We don't spend a LOT of time on the practice-that's why I don't charge. They come in after school/work etc. -bring a picture or find one they like in our collection and then I spend 10-15 minutes(at most) doing a 'mock' set of the desired result. In my case, I'm not out anything but a headache on the day of the event. I agree with Billie on how she handles her client in the above post. If I were doing all that each time, I'd charge accordingly as well. I tell family not to broadcast their rates for getting their hair done. They have my cards, and when someone asks, they hand them a card and tell them to call or stop by just like my 'reg.' clients. TD you have to do what is right for you-this IS a great place to get ideas!

Linda
Posts: 14

Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:50:00 AM
Where can I get that glitter spray? I dont know who carries it here.( I live in Ill). Also does Brocato have a website? Thanks!!

Anonymous

Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:08:00 PM
I love the Martin Parsons videos. They are great! I want to try something diffrent tho, but I'm having a problem. How do I pin spiral curls to make a nice shape on top of the head? I can never get it to look nice when I finish. Any suggestions?

Anonymous

Posted: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:21:00 PM
The Sexy line has a glitter hairspray. It shoots a fine mist of glitter. They have gold,pink, and silver. I use it on my updo's and the clients like it.

freestyle2571
Posts: 6

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:53:00 AM
DEFINATELY charge for the trial run.
Don't give your work away. My updo's start at $50.00 and I charge $35.00 for a trial run. Only because it's a "rough draft" of the final product.
You give things away and they start to expect it.

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:45:00 AM
I would like to know if someone can explain to me how to do the Gibson girl up do. It has been a long time since I did one and I thought maybe there is an updated version of it. Any ideas?

Jamie
Posts: 13

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:39:00 AM
hello! this is my first time reading here all of your tips have been helpful, I would like to comment on the (Sexy Hair) glitter spray. I used it when we first got the line in a few months ago. the spray works great the first day you open it, but within a couplke of days all three colors we had were clogged!!!! we opened new ones and they did the same thing, twice we are sending ours back to the company. I would not reccomend selling for retail, because if we have problems in the salon, imagine the client at home! has anyone else had this problem? as far as quick updo's I agree with knotting. especially with long hair because it gets rid of some of the length and makes it easier to work with.

Jamie
Posts: 13

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:43:00 AM
I have only been doing hair for 2 years I am from michigan. I have never heard of a gibson. what is it?

Dottie
Posts: 1

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:49:00 PM
By Dottie on Mon. 2:40 p.m.

Been reading all the collective imformation. I have just retired after 40 yrs. Have always done the hippest hair cuts Dand dos . Miss being behind the chair, but I keep up on this website. In the last 18 years I've been doing hair extensions and believe me it's been fun and lucrative. Check it out.

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:18:00 PM
Well, I do not retail the glitter hairspray. Someone asked about the glitter spray. They wanted to know where they could get it to do updo's with. And the spray does clog. But anyone who has common sense knows to run hot water over the the spray if it clogs. Course it is going to clog from the glitter and from the hairspray itself because it is a hard hairspray. DUH>>>>

John
Posts: 33

Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:27:00 AM
I have been reading with interest some of your messages regarding prices you charge in the United States for each individual job you do.
Has anyone thought of charging for TIME you spend on each Client.Eg: $10 per ten minute Block of time. Minimum for Ladies say Thrity Minutes & for Men Twenty minutes.If you take thirty minutes you charge thirty dollars,forty minutes $40 & so on.If ten dollars is not enough per block, put up to where your salon can cope.Thats how I do it in Australia.

LeeshieB
Posts: 8

Posted: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:27:00 PM
a gibson girl:
3 ponytails. basically dividing the hair in three sections., either from ear to ear over the top of the head or temple to temple; then just the third just above the occipital. The way I do it is the middle section first, and try to overlap the edges of the next two sections. They are all pontailed, as loose or tight as you like, usually it is looser, very full, especially at the front. Either can be achieved with teasing, or a loose ponytail pinned in place so the fullness is where you want it. What you do with the ends is up to you. They can be curled, rolled, shaped, smoothed, whatever to get the look you want. It reminds you of the very full, loose buns you see on old western movies, very soft, very romantic. If hair falls loosely around the nape or temples, it's supposed to be there. There is probably a way to get it up in one ponytail, but I find this way more secure, easier to control what is full and gives me more hair to play with. You can get the same look on the sides with various pinning and rolling of pincurls, big or small, but it takes longer. If you want that full, soft look without the hassle, or want the ends to do something other than that, the ponytails help.

Tweedle Dee
Posts: 22

Posted: Saturday, May 18, 2002 7:27:00 PM
John-
I'm from NY & can not exactly say for anyone else- but I charge depending on what I do- however- I also base my amounts relative to how long it takes me to do a service- so it would be basically the same as how your calculating pay on blocks of time.

Mary:::
Posts: 57

Posted: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:00:00 PM
Ya...........I wish I could do that.......last year was easy and fun.........this year was like I am gonna win a fricken academy award.......I spent more time on each updo and charged the same........I am like a sucker right????????????????

Mary:::)))

Cathie Breezie
Posts: 5

Posted: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:43:00 AM
Wow I wish we could charge by time spent! I would get $90-120 for a perm instead of the (not worth it) 50-60 I get now!! (I hate perms!) Foils and cutting are the only thing I make money with. Thanks for all the great up do ideas!! It takes me 1 hr for up do's and I charge $35. But they are fun so I don't really mind. What kills me is people bring in little kids to get up do and expect to pay half the price. Kids are even harder because they don't sit still!! (haha) Cathie in NY/NJ

John
Posts: 33

Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:46:00 PM
Cathie Breezie you can do it & You Should do it.Everyone should charge according to time taken. John - Australia

Tweedle Dee
Posts: 22

Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:12:00 PM
I would say if you charge $35. for 1 hr. to do your up-do, you could relate that for example to your haircuts- if you can do 2 cuts per hour then you could charge $17.50 per haircut. If it takes 2 hr.s to do a perm that would be $70. It would all relate to what you want to make per hour & what value you put on your time.

sally
Posts: 7

Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:36:00 AM
hi i did hairdressing in cananda at marca college but unfortunatlly i didn't practice enough doing updo for the client as u know full time student from 9 to 5 there is no clients who wants updo at that time so now i feel sorry for my self as much as i like up do but my imigination limit in doing the style just form what i have learned in the school and it was just basic so if u can help me it will apriciated

Anonymous

Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:53:00 AM
Sally, get yourself a long-haired mannequin head or find some friends with long hair and practice on them. Go to a Martin Parson's class, or order some of his videos. Good luck!

-lyricax

Clousy
Posts: 3

Posted: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:06:00 AM
Hey updo xperts! I need some help. I am currently enrolled in beauty school and i need some help. I am going to enter in a competition later on this year and i need some ideas for a fantasy updo. Any ideas or suggestions please feel free to email me!!

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:25:00 PM
Hi all! I am intersted in your suggestions on the best updo books, video's or classes. I'm joining the wedding team in my salon and am interested in starting to prepare for the wedding and prom season. Any suggestions on sites to visit would also be appreciated. Thanks and have a happy new year!!!

Soph
Posts: 212
Bronze Member

Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:51:00 AM
Hey, Happy Holiday's Everyone.

Martin Parsons is inspiring, if you can see him in person do it. Check out; www.martinparsons.com or 1-800-576-2249 he offers some great how to videos.:)

Anonymous

Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:32:00 PM
Is there a special way of using the curling iron for springy spiral curls???? I over heard my co-workers buzzing that I dont curl the hair a certain way. And you know I'm beginning to think they are right cause my curls are really limpy. How should I do spiral curls that seem to spring off the head ; almost ribbon-like?? Is there a special way?

lily
Posts: 14

Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:04:00 PM
Spiral curls with curling iron: Start at the bottom of the nape and part off approximately 1" in a horizontal parting. Mist the section with hairspray or thermal styling spray. Use approximately 1" vertical partings for each curl. Pick up the strand, comb thru once if necessary so it's smooth, and clamp the curling iron on the strand 3" to 4" away from the scalp. Using a quick, fluid motion, draw the curling iron a couple more inches down the strand and rotate the iron one or two turns. Repeat this until the ends of the strand are wound around the bottom of the curling iron and the top of the curling iron is very close to the scalp. At this point the hair should be evenly spiraled down the whole length of the curling iron. Hold in place at least 10 seconds and carefully release the curl from the curling iron in a downward motion. Finish that row and do another horizontal parting about 1" above the previous and repeat the whole procedure. Continue working upwards. You can hairspray each row again as they are completed or spray the entire head when done. When the curls are all done and cooled down, if they look too perfect and/or crusty, lightly slide your thumb and index finger through some or all of them to soften them up.

What does NOT work is to slide the curling iron to the bottom of the strand and then start winding. The main reason this doesnt work is because the curling iron ends up being at the base of the strand the least amount of time, and that's actually where it needs it for the most time. The base provides the support for the rest of the curl. The hair at the base is usually the healthiest so it needs more time and heat to form a supportive curl. Also, always use a good styling spray before curling. And dont use too big of a curling iron or too big of a section, although some hair CAN handle it.

A co-worker of mine does beautiful spiral curls with regular magnetic (plastic) rollers and its much faster, although may not work for all hair types. I have watched her do it and plan to practice it myself very soon (have never done many roller sets). She does a roller set on dry hair spraying each section thoroughly and evenly with pump-type finishing spray and combing it smooth before smoothly winding down (on base) and clipping. She puts them under the dryer for about 15 minutes. She starts taking the rollers out from the bottom, and after she takes each roller out she brings the fingers of her left hand up under the base of the curl and divides the base into 3 or 4 vertical subsections with her fingers. With her right hand she takes each subsection between with her thumb and index finger one by one and slides them down the length in sort of a spiraling motion. She uses a tad bit of polishing lotion on her fingers when she does this. With each roller curl she gets 3 or four beautiful spiral curls.

Practice, practice, practice. Speed is essential in order to keep the updo within 1 or 1 1/2 hours. Good luck!

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:57:00 AM
Use the long bender style rollers but a good size. Spray each section with a thermal-setting spray, wrap with an end paper to ensure a smooth curl and process under the dryer for 15 minutes. this is done on dry hair. I've used this method for years and it never fails me. Most clients tell me that the curls last for days.

Anonymous

Posted: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:44:00 PM
How do you section the hair for the bender rollers?

Eugene
Posts: 1

Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:01:00 PM
I usually break the lines, and always dont have any sectioning need. just start from the crown above occipital bone.


http://www.eugeneconde.com

maria cervantez
Posts: 1

Posted: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:09:00 AM
To all updo/showhair specialists,
I am in a hair show this weekend I am looking for any last minute ideas. My style is pretty simple I am doing 3 ponytails doown the middle like a mowhawk look and flat ironing the ends my model's hair is long just looking for ideas to go with that. My theme is europe the british culture so my look I chose is euro-punk look the ponytails have cones around them any opinions on this look would be great. Thanks Maria

maggiemypet
Posts: 455
Silver Member

Posted: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:55:00 PM
eugene,

awesome site. A wealth of information :)

Anonymous

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:53:00 PM
I have also used the "Sexy line" and their glitter spray clogs terribly after one use.

Anonymous

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:15:00 PM
Pricing???Help.
I run an in-home salon (very professional and professionally decorated) I also attend as many updating classes as I can. My question is pricing guildlines on extra colour per application or two services, eg. full retouch and highlights without charging per hour.

Anonymous

Posted: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:00:00 AM
first time here.... didn't realize I put that question in the wrong catagory...sorry

alesia
Posts: 1920
Platinum Member

Posted: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:06:00 PM
great inspiring site eugene! thanks for sharing.

Lisa
Posts: 37

Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:32:00 AM
looking for these velvro rollers that are flat and you make the size you want. i saw them at the hair show last year and on a make over on tv. they were mainly using them for volume at the scalp and keeping the end smoother. I am crazed looking for them. they were not at the isse show either this year! help!! mlw31797@earthlink.net

jenna
Posts: 6

Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:37:00 AM
Hi Guys
Its that time of year again-Prom & Weddings. I have never had a problem with up-dos I've taken some private Martin Parsons seminars and mainly stick to his techniques. However I really seem to be having a problem with styling hair that's left down for formal events more specific when they want a loose wave I've tried hot rollers, pin curls and even a three barrel iron and I either get too much curl or not enough. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated and please no big headed answers (you know who you are) I've been in the business for 13 yrs and own a very busy salon in a mall with 4 empoyees but like everyone else we all have things that just don't work for us. Thanks so much in advance.

alesia
Posts: 1920
Platinum Member

Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 3:10:00 PM
jenna,
try taking a small section of hair and wrapping it around a closed iron. hold the hair from the head to the ends. and just wrap it around the barrel from handle to ends- hold it there long enough & the curl should be even & springy.
as you already know, pick barrels according to how loose or tight curl desired.
also, I never do any iron work without either redken hotsets or l'anza thermal defense. I highly recomend this step, just don't saturate the hair when taking bigger sections- it won't work right- it'll be too wet.
after I create the curl, I let it cool for a second and I set it with vavoom hairspray. (vavoom is the only hairspray I use for up-do's and formal hair design. I'm a formal hair design specialist) then if the curl needs to be relaxed a bit, I use pm wax works or slick works.
I vavoom the whole do & then apply either pm the shine or l'anza shine spray.
I feel the products are 3/4 of the battle for good iron work.
hope this helped, happy hairdo building!

Anonymous

Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 4:53:00 PM
dear jenna, I know what you mean, I just make sure their hair is cleaned the day before,no conditioner in it,and use Joico CIT., curling iron texturizer on it damp and blow dry it in. I use alot of it with the finer hair. Works for me! I use whatever size barrel needed.

jenna
Posts: 6

Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:07:00 PM
Thanks so much guys. I use Redken Hot Sets or Redken Spray Starch faithfully. But I have never tried using a closed iron.Can't wait to see the results. In the past if I used an iron I would always wrap small sections around the iron starting at the scalp working my way to the ends and alot of times it ended up being too curly depending on the texture of the hair. Thanks again!!!

jenna
Posts: 6

Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:10:00 PM
i also always use Martix Vavoom spray and sometimes Redken quickdry (Martin Parsons recommends it) I love the fact that they both dry fast and are workable and humidity resistant.

Stephanie
Posts: 18

Posted: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:59:00 PM
Hi, I am a Maid of Honor in my best friends wedding on the 29th. I need a reference or ideas or instructions on a fairly simple buy pretty updo. We are staying the night before the wedding at a lake house so going to a salon is out of the question. My hair is right below my shoulders. It's permed, but I will be probably straightening it for the wedding. Any suggestions?

Vanessa
Posts: 2

Posted: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:05:00 AM
hi everyone I'm writing from Nova Scotia Canada.This is great I just finished reading a lot of the messages and I think it's great as stylists that we help one another with tips and information in this way.I've been in the industry for just over 10 years and sometimes I find the competition amoungst stylists interferes with the creativity.Let's continue to help one another and stay true to the reason we all became stylists in the first place.education is always the key and nobody knows everything so we shouldn't feel embarressed to get advice!Well'that's what I think anyway.Yeah!I'm so glad I found this site.

Dianna
Posts: 25

Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:29:00 PM
I used to stress about up-do's, shying away and refusing clients until a new girl at our salon ALWAYS takes the front section parted from the ear forward out until the back is done. This simple technique has made it seem less overwhelming. I also learned to turn the chair away from the mirror so it makes me less nervous when they are looking at themselves when I am still trying to get a handle on where I am going with the hair. Never like to be looking perplexed, haha. Working the front section into the back with twists, change the part, few small braids or just pulled back tight and secured into the underneath of the updo, works great!

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:50:00 PM
Parting it that way helps a whole lot. Also, practice your french twists and putting the back section into one or even two smooth pony tails (one above the other). A whole heck of a lot of updos use these basic starting techniques. Then practice barrel curls, knots and throw in several small braids. Those are pretty basic ideas which you can begin with. The rest takes practice and by all means be sure to check the look in the mirror regularly (or stand in front) to make sure you aren't canting the style to the side (unless that's what you're going for!) Your "eye" for the balance will come. Good luck.

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:26:00 PM
Hi Vanessa
I'm from Nova Scotia as well (Cape Breton Island) nice to see some locals here. Where about are you?

Anonymous

Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:24:00 PM
Another quick fix is to take out a middle section in the back, leaving hair on both sides free, and french twisting it, mainly just to get it out of the way. Now you can work with the remaining hair, covering the twist with curls, or whatever, and you don't have so much hair to have to mess with.

Anonymous

Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:56:00 AM
I agree with all the posts about doing updos, I specialize in it too, and have used all of these ideas and they are lifesavers! Ponytailing the back works out well for me too. Doing the bride first is a great idea as well. Good luck, and find another stylist willing to help out.

longlocks
Posts: 2

Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:59:11 AM
I don't know what your times are but i have done alot o weddings and i got there at eight in the morning and got don't at twelve. I ended up doin ten girls that day. basically it depends on what type they are doing as in simple or very fancy

brook jones
Posts: 2

bobby pin holder
Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:11:30 AM
does anyone know where i can get one of those bobby pin wristband holders from? I've seen them at the shows but haven't been able to find them online . . any suggestions welcomed
thanks

elizabethb
Posts: 63

Here you go!
Posted: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:24:35 PM

They are Nicholas French Pin Up and you can purchase them here. http://www.behindthechair.com/shop/catalog/output/catalogdetail.aspx?IID=4544&SID=2&CID=0

They come in Black, Green or light Pink.



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Tayalynn
Posts: 147
Bronze Member

Magnetic Bobby Pin Wrist Holders
Posted: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:41:44 PM
You can also get these at fabric stores. They are really for straight pins but work great for bobby pins.
Taya